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Food For Thought

Buncombe Street United Methodist Church members have an important decision to make prior to our Special Church Conference on October 30, 2022 where 

YOU MUST BE PRESENT TO VOTE. COME EARLY! The doors will be open at 1:00 PM and will lock when the meeting starts at 2:00. 

Listed below are resources that may help to explain the United Methodist perspective.

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Adam Hamilton Responds to Rob Renfroe

Steve Harper- Parting Words of Wisdom

What John Wesley teaches about unity

Is the United Methodist Church Really?...

The United Methodist Divorce is a Mistake

What should United Methodist congregations know about disaffiliation?

Why I'm not Leaving the United Methodist Church - Rev. Steve West

Bishops offer framework for inclusive church

Council of Bishops Narrative for Continuing in the United Methodist Church

African Bishops condemn Africa Initiative and WCA

Stay UMC

YouTube Videos

UMC-GMC Comparison

Adam Hamilton Responds to Rob Renfroe

In 5 brief YouTube videos, The Rev. Adam Hamilton addresses issues surrounding disaffiliation efforts in the United Methodist Church and responds to issues raised by The Rev. Rob Renfroe, a retired UMC pastor formerly on staff at Woodlands UMC in Woodlands Texas. He has been president and publisher of Good News since 2009. 


We urge you to watch these videos and to prayerfully consider what Buncombe Street UMC and our UMC heritage and ministry mean to you. To view, simply click on each link below. A video may have a brief commercial message, which you can skip by a simple click.


1. Why UMC? (11 minutes)

2. Love of Scripture (14 minutes)

3. Committed to Christ (6 minutes)

4. Human Sexuality (19 minutes)

5. A Future with Hope (13 minutes)

6. A 6th video may be released later. If so, we will add it to this website.

About Adam Hamilton

Adam Hamilton is senior pastor of The United Methodist Church of the Resurrection in Leawood,  KS, one of the fastest growing, most highly visible churches in the country. There he preaches to more than 8,000 people a week. The Church Report named Hamilton’s congregation the most influential mainline church in America. 


Hamilton writes and teaches on life’s tough questions, the doubts with which we all wrestle, and the challenging issues we face today. He explores the “gray” areas that present themselves when the Bible’s teachings and life experiences cross paths. He is known for helping those striving to be Christian to see the implications of the Christian gospel for daily life. He has authored 13 books and several small-group studies on topics as diverse as forgiveness, simple living, love and marriage, morality, politics, God’s will, and world religions. 

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Parting Words & Words of Witness

by Steve Harper March 18, 2022 11:25 AM

I do not say “good bye” apart from a deep sadness. I  still believe that unity is a higher biblical value than division. But I  have had to accept the fact that there is a difference between a  theology of religion and a sociology of religion. We sum up theology in  the word Gospel, and we describe sociology in the word institution. The  Gospel is the wine, and the institution is the wineskin. Sometimes the  wineskin cannot hold the wine, and it bursts. New wineskins are  necessary. We will, of course, continue to disagree about which new skin  has the “best wine”—division does not bring that debate to an end—but  from the vantage point of sociology, it is time to go our separate ways.


But I do not say “good bye” apart from the remembrance that until I  was 66 years old (Lent of 2014), I lived and worked in the part of the  UMC that is soon to become the GMC. My time included leadership in Good  News and the Confessing Movement, as well as teaching/administration at  Asbury Theological Seminary—the seminary now most-aligned with the  WCA/GMC split. [1] I did all this in the context often described as  ”welcoming but not affirming”—that is, thinking I was being as  relational and charitable with LGBTQ+ people as the Gospel would allow.


I lived this way willingly. I trusted those who taught me the  non-affirming theology. They taught me many good things about  Christianity; why would their beliefs about human sexuality not be good  too? I accepted what I was taught (and went on to teach it myself), not  taking the time to do my own homework until 2014, quickly discovering  that to do so put me “outside the camp” in short order.


Where I now stand comes from the mixture of having been a  conservative “insider” for so long (steeped in its scholarship and  ecclesiology) and the ensuing eight years on another path. This journey  is full of details, points and sub-points, many of which I have  previously written about. In other words, my decision to remain in the  UMC is an informed one, a decision that advances on several key  components.


PHOTO- Fork in the road

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About Dr. Steve Harper

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About UM Insight

About Dr. Steve Harper

About Dr. Steve Harper

 United Methodist Insight seeks to provide information and  perspectives for concerned United Methodists and decision-makers who  will shape the future of The United Methodist Church and the communities  in which they live and serve. This non-profit publication was founded  in December 2011 by Cynthia B. Astle, a veteran religion journalist who  serves as Editor. UM Insight is sponsored by St. Stephen United  Methodist Church of Mesquite, TX, and funded entirely by donations. We  do not accept paid advertising or "sponsored content." 



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What John Wesley teaches about church unity

By Heather Hahn Dec. 7, 2016 | UMNS

 John Wesley argued throughout his life against a complete separation  from the Church of England. This statue of him stands outside his house  in London. Photo by Kathleen Barry, United Methodist Communications 

  

Practical reasons to stay

Wesley had a deep attachment to the church that provided his father’s living as a parish priest and the foundation of his  and brother Charles' own spiritual development and ministry. However, he also had very practical reasons for wanting Methodism to remain within its fold, say Wesleyan scholars.

The Rev. Jason Vickers, United Methodist elder and past president of the Wesleyan Theological Society, pointed out that the Church of England as the established state church held a position alien to most Americans.

“The way I make this point to my students in seminary is to say that 18th century England has more in common with, say, 21st century Turkey than the 21st century United States,” said Vickers. He is professor of theology and site coordinator of the Asbury Theological Seminary’s Memphis campus.

Legally, in Wesley’s Britain you could be part of another church just as in today’s Turkey you can be something other than Sunni Muslim. But you needed to be prepared for second-class status. The church’s power came with teeth.

Under the Toleration Act of 1689, dissenting Protestants like Baptists and Congregationalists could not run for political office, serve in the military or attend Oxford or Cambridge. A 1711 law imposed fines on anyone who, after partaking Anglican Eucharist, was found worshipping in a dissenting tradition’s meetinghouse.

If anything, Catholics occupied an even more tenuous position in 1700s British society (just ask the Irish).

“A schism with the Church of England would have had dire consequences both financially and socially for the Methodists,” said Morris L. Davis, a professor of Christian history and Wesleyan Methodist studies at United Methodist Drew University Theological School.

  

Theological reasons to stay or go

Wesley also had strong theological and biblical reasons for preserving church unity, Davis said.

In his 1786 sermon “On Schism,” Wesley spoke of church splits in blunt terms.

“It is evil in itself,” he preached. “To separate ourselves from a body of living Christian, with whom we were before united, is a grievous breach of the law of love. … It is only when our love grows cold, that we can think of separating from our brethren.”

However, in the same sermon, he also argues for when a church separation is not only acceptable but demanded by conscience.

“Suppose you could not remain in the Church of England without doing something which the word of God forbids, or omitting something which the word of God positively commands; if this were the case, (but blessed be God it is not) you ought to separate from the Church of England,” he preached.

In that case, he said, the sin of separation would not be on the person who leaves but upon those who necessitated the departure.

He definitely had no interest in seeing the Church of England return to the Roman Catholic fold.

  

Accidental, on purpose separation

Wesley, in his writings, continued to oppose a general separation from the Church of England throughout his life.

Nevertheless, by 1784, he had established a U.S. denomination that eventually would become the multinational United Methodist Church.

In the wake of the American Revolution, the Church of England had basically ceased to function in a nation that was no longer part of England. The Episcopal Church would not be established until 1789.

In the interim, Wesley did not wait for permission. He ordained clergy and sent Thomas Coke as superintendent, even though he himself was no fan of the U.S. fight for independence.

 

It was a very deliberate move to separate from the Church of England,” said the Rev. Ted Campbell, a United Methodist elder and church history professor at Southern Methodist University’s Perkins School of Theology.

“John Wesley did some very specific things that I think if any United  Methodist clergyperson did, he would be out immediately or very soon,”  Campbell said. “If any elder in The United Methodist Church ordained  other clergy, we would not allow that.”


Wesley and today’s pressures

Campbell cautions against leaning too heavily on John Wesley’s  example in discussing the unity of today’s United Methodist Church.

“If John Wesley were here today, he wouldn’t be John Wesley,” Campbell said. “That’s the tough truth.”

Campbell said he personally thinks United Methodists should look at  what’s fundamental that binds the current church. In Campbell’s case, he  sees those fundamentals as the denomination’s Articles of Religion, the Confession of Faith and the General Rules. 

Ryan Danker,  a Methodist studies professor at United Methodist Wesley Theological  Seminary in Washington, stressed that for Wesley, the doctrines of  salvation were key.

“I think if we are going to find a way forward with Wesley then we  have to focus as he did on the core doctrines of salvation and  holiness,” he said. “If we find agreement there, then we will continue  to be in a Wesleyan way.”

 



 

"The World is My Parish" is inscribed at the base of a statue of John Wesley located in the courtyard outside Wesley's Chapel and John Wesley's house at 49 City Road in London. Photo by Kathleen Barry, United Methodist Communications


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United Methodist Church

With some congregations considering leaving The United Methodist Church  or just wondering about its future. Ask The UMC offers a series of  questions and answers to help clear up some common misperceptions or  misinformation around disaffiliation. 


Link to Part 1

Link to Part 2

Link to Part 3

Link to Part 4

Link to Part 5


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The United Methodist divorce is a mistake

In the "Christian Century" Bishop  William Willimon describes how splitting from the United Methodist church would be a mistake. Link to article

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What should United Methodist congregations know about disaffiliation?

Information from the United Methodist Church about disaffiliation. Link to article

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Why I'm not Leaving the United Methodist Church

Rev. Steve West of Arab, Alabama shares his reasons for not leaving the UMC.  Link to article

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Bishops offer framework for inclusive church

 The Council of Bishops has cast a vision for a future United Methodist Church that transcends the labels many church members use to describe  themselves.   Link to article

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Council of Bishops Narrative for Continuing the United Methodist Church

 An open letter from the Council of Bishops dated November 4, 2021   

Link to Press Release and pdf download      

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African Bishops condemn Africa Initiative and WCA

 African Bishops Press Release September 8, 2021

Link to Press Release   

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Stay UMC

A Coalition of North Alabama Methodists Working to Stay in the UMC

YouTube videos:

  •  Tony Campolo on  Christianity and Homosexuality
  • Adam Hamilton on Why We  Are Staying in the UMC
  • Retired Bishop Richard  Wilke, "A Plea to the United Methodist Church." 

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UMC-GMC Comparison

UMC-GMC Comparison chart from Texas

  

In this chart put together by the Future Discernment Task Force Texas Annual Conference, we find a simple side by side comparison with language straight from each denomination’s governing documents. This is not an exhaustive list of all the distinctions but we thought this resource would be a great start to begin a thoughtful and objective approach to compare.

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